Humphrey's son Frank

Fortunately, Frank's wedding information included the names of his parents or I probably wouldn't have been able to find any definitive information on him.

Frank (Francis) was born around 1832-1841 in Sligo, Ireland.  At some point he settled in  Winnipeg, Canada.  He was living there at least between 1881 and 1901.

He was in Canada when he married his wife Margaret Melissa Wilson on 24 Dec 1868, in Haldimand, Ontario, Canada.  Melissa was born around 4 Jan 1850, in Cayuga, Ontario, Canada.  She died 25 July 1904, probably in Winnipeg.

Frank supposedly returned to the "old country" and died possibly in London, but I have not found any proof of this.  He isn't buried with his wife, though, so maybe he did.  Supposedly he died after 1902.

He and Margaret had a daughter, supposedly adopted, named Winnifred.  She was born in 1884 in Michigan.  She died in 1954.  She married Norman Benson Tufts in 1906.  They had two daughters.  Kathleen Margaret Tufts, born in 1910, died in 1998, married Cecil Lorne Harding Laycock.  Irene Tufts, 1920-2009, married Cephas Durham.

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Humphrey Gillmore

Humphrey Gilmore was born about 1810 in Sligo Ireland. According to the information about his second marriage, his father was William Gillmor and his second wife's father was Hugh Gillmor, but there wasn't any known family relationship.

In 1836, he was a teacher of 78 students at St John's School.  In 1861 he was listed as a clerk and an accountant in 1862.

According to Ralph he married Margaret Allingham about 1833, but since his son John was born around 1826, he was probably married in 1825 or earlier.  Margaret must have died before 1862, since he married his second wife Jane Gilmor in July of 1862.

Humphrey died on the 20th of June 1875, and was buried at St John's Church, Sligo, Ireland.  According to Ralph he willed his property to his second wife, but asked that he be buried with his first wife, Margaret.  Also, that his daughter Rebecca be given ten pounds.

I was fortunate, in 2010 to take a trip with my daughter and one of her friends to Ireland and Scotland.  We stayed overnight in Sligo, and found St John's Church, pictured above.  It was closed, but some of the church ladies were there cleaning, so the gates were open and we were able to wander around the graveyard, which completely surrounded the church.  They let us go inside, as well, and it's a beautiful church.

My daughter's friend somehow spotted Humphrey's gravestone!  It's almost completely overgrown and behind a large bush.  As you go up the driveway, it's to the right of the drive, about a foot from the wall.  It's almost directly in line with the door of the church.  Didn't really get any good pictures of the entire stone, but took several and continued on our trip.

After I got home and had time to work on the photos, I realized that this gravestone was for JANE Gillmor and Humphrey, not Margaret.  So it appears that Jane didn't even abide by Humphrey's request to be buried by Margaret.  I hadn't though to look for Margaret's gravestone.


Jane and Humphrey didn't have any children.  Humphrey and Margaret Allingham had about 10 children, all born in Sligo.  John was born about 1826, Frank about 1834, Mariah (Maggie'sMom) about 1835, Rebecca Arabella about 1841, Margaret Frances after 1841, Robert Allingham about Oct 1841-42, William, James, and Anne, and one or two unkown, unnamed children.

There seems to be a large break between John (1826) and Frank (1834).  Maybe William, James, or Anne were born during those years.  The other possibility is that one or more children died during the Cholera outbreak in Sligo in 1832.  It might explain as well why George seems to have married so late in life.  I don't have any indications of another wife or children, but I wonder if he had married as a younger man, if a wife and children might have died in that epidemic.

I have no information on William, James or Anne, but Marvin has them listed on one of his charts, and in his correspondence seems to believe that he and my grandmother agree that these are children of Humphrey.

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Humphrey's Brother George

Second thoughts

After I posted the information on George, I realized that I hadn't paid enough attention to some of the information from RalphInLA.

While re-looking at what I had posted, I realized that George was born around 1809, but his children were born in the late 1840's to 1860's!  That is not the norm.  Fortunately, I have the 1901 census for him, showing his age as 90 and his son John as age 42, and his son's wife Elizabeth as age 24, and their son George H as 11 months old.  So according to the 1901 census he was 48 years older than his son, and his son was older when he married and had a child.  

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Humphrey’s Brother George

Ralph shows George Gilmore of Stonehall being born before 1828, and having one child, Jane Gilmore who married John Iriwn.  He also shows George Gilmore of Carrinageenah and Stonehall, (son of Hugh); born before 1826, married to Margaret Pettypiece on July 13, 1846 and having a daughter Rebecca Gilmore of Stonehall born in 1867.

Marvin has his birth around 1810, and I found an Irish census for 1901 showing his age as 90, that would make his birth about 1820.  He died in Sligo around 1904.  His wife Margaret was born around 1826 and died around 1899 in Sligo, Ireland.  (In case you are confused, James Gillmore’s daughter Margaret Gillmore married a Thomas Pettipiece, and this George married Margaret Pettypiece; I imagine there is a relationship, but I haven’t researched it).

I have found information on 8 children: Anne born in Sligo in 1847, Jane born in Sligo in 1849, John born in 1855, Maria born in 1858 in Sligo, Sarah born in 1865, Rebecca born in 1867 in Stonehall, Sligo, and Eliza, and Margaret.

Eliza died unmarried according to Marvin’s letters.

Margaret married William Lockhart and had no children as of 1894. 

Anne was born about 1847 in Stonehall, Sligo, Ireland.  She died in 1919 in Sligo, Ireland.  She married John Sherlock, 1830-1905.  They had 6 children:

     John Sherlock, 1878-1902, Sligo

     George Sherlock, 1880-1919, Sligo

     Rebecca Sherlock, 1882-1932, Sligo

     Sarah Anne Sherlock, 1885-1947, Sligo

     Emily Jane Sherlock, 1887-1958, Sligo

     Fanny Florence Sherlock, born abt 1891, Sligo, died in

1957, Toronto, Canada.  She came to Canada in 1920, after her mother’s death. She married Albert Hamilton in 1920, in York, Ontario, Canada.  They had two children, John and Margaret.  Margaret had a daughter, and we are a DNA match.  Which is great, because it

supports my research on this branch of the Gilmore’s.

Jane born abt 1850 in Sligo, was living in 1901 in Sligo.  She married John Irwin.  In 1894, they had 8 children and one grandchild. 

     Lizzie Irwin born abt 1872, Sligo

     Robert Irwin 1874-1944, Sligo

     Margaret Irwin 1876

     James Irwin 1879, Sligo

     Sarah Jane Irwin, 1879

     George Irwin, 1883

     Rebecca Irwin, 1886

     Minnie Irwin, 1888, married Michael Lindsay

John born abt 1855, died 1908, married Elizabeth.  They had three children.

     George H Gilmore born abt 1900 died 1945, Sligo

Charles William Gilmore, born abt 1904, married and

had a daughter.

Annie Elizabeth Gilmore, born abt 1906.

Maria born abt 1855, Sligo, died abt 1892, Chicago.  She married Fred D Earll abt 1879, in Chicago.  They had one son.

     Walter Earll was born abt 1886, in Chicago.

Sarah, 1866-1942, Sligo, married Gilbert Mitchell in Sligo in 1886.  They had 4 children.

     Gilbert Mitchell, born abt 1888, County Laois, Ireland

     Thomas Archey Mitchell, born 1889, Tralee, Ireland,              died 1913, Sligo.

     Louise Mitchell, born 1891, Co Kerry, Ireland

     Rebecca Mitchell, born 1893, Co Galway, Ireland, died            1946, Stonehall, Sligo, Ireland.

Rebecca born 1867, died 1940 in Sligo, married in 1895 Thomas Craig 1806 to 1917, Sligo.  They had three living children and two stillborn.

     Robert Craig, 1896-1954, Sligo, married Veitch Noble.

     Walter Craig, 1898-1968, Sligo, married Ellen Winfred            Noel Gregg.

Mary Ann Craig, born 1906, Sligo, married George                 Alexander Carnegy.

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Jackson Family Pictures

Among my mother’s things, I found 3 wonderful pictures of the Jackson family, but they are almost useless, since I have no idea who the people are.  I can identify my mom and dad, myself and my brother, but no one else.  These are professional pictures, taken by a photographer in Manitou Springs, Colorado.  There are Christmas decorations on the wall, so likely taken at a family Christmas party.  I am most likely just over a year old, so the pictures would have been taken in December of 1949 (maybe 1950).  I have some vague memory of a Christmas party at my father’s cousins, so I assume that these are Jacksons.   I would love to be able to identify these people and would appreciate anyone who knows who they are to please contact me with the information.

I have scanned the pictures and numbered all the people in them.  I didn’t make any attempt to give the same numbers to the same people in each picture, so each person may have 3 different numbers.

Picture Number One seems to be couples with their children:

 In picture number one, my father, Floyd Dana, is #12, my mother Estella is #6, my brother is #17, and #18 is me, Linda Dana.  I pity my mother having to deal with me!

Picture Number Two is all women and mostly female children:

In picture number two, my mother Estella Dana is #11 and I am #12

Picture Number Three is all men and boys, no babies:

In picture number three, my father, Floyd Dana is #10 and my brother is #18.

I'm really hoping that someone (s) can help identify these people as they are great pictures, and would mean a lot to the family if we know who they are!  Thanks for your help.

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Humphrey’s brother WILLIAM

Ralph didn’t have anything on this William.  Marvin recorded his graves and those other people in that plot, while on a visit to Rosehill Cemetery in Chicago, looking for some people who had raised his father.  Marvin thought William might be a brother of Robert Allingham Gillmore, but because of the birthdate I believe this is very probably Humphrey’s brother William.   This William Gilmore (wife Margaret Sadler) and MAY NOT BE the brother of Humphrey Gillmore, he might be a cousin, but I have included them here because there was supposed to be a brother named William.  And per Marvin Gilmore's letters they are definitely relatives.  George’s daughter Maria (Gilmore) Earll was living with William’s daughter Rebecca (Gilmore) Welsh in the 1880 US census.  And Maria’s will in 1894 was witnessed by Susan (Gilmore) Gilbert, William’s daughter.  He was in Canada in 1835, and he had come to the United States before 1842.  With some clues from other parts of Marvin’s correspondence and lots of research, I was able to figure out who these people were and how they were related to each other.  Further research filled out the family further.

William was born in Sligo, Ireland in 1802 (possibly as late as 1808), and married Margaret Sadler in Quebec in 1835.  She was born in Ireland around 1815.  Their children were all born in Chicago starting in 1842, and, with the possible exception of Emma, they all seem to have stayed in Chicago.  He died in1875, she in 1891.  They are both buried in Rosehill Cemetery, Chicago.  They had seven or eight children that I know of.

Hugh James Gillmore was born around 1841 and died in 1865.

William Gillmore was born around 1846 and died in 1907.

Emma Gillmore was born about 1851, and was living in Chicago in 1860 and 1870.

Another child name and gender unknown, possibly Emma, died on April 8, 1871.

Margaret Gillmore was born in Chicago, Sept 1842.  In 1860, she was living with her parents, and in 1870, she was living with them, but with the last name of Brown, so she must have married between 1860 and 1870 and either divorced or was widowed, possibly because of the civil war.  In 1874, she married Samuel Polkey.  He was born about 1834 in England and died in Chicago in 1903.  Margaret died in Chicago on 8 Nov 1928.  Their children were Samuel William Polkey, born 1875, died 1918, unmarried according to WWI draft registration; Hugh J Polkey, born 1878, died 1936.  He married Bertha Cadden in 1923, he was a physician, doesn’t seem to have any children; Unnamed child born March 1880, died before 1900; and May R Polkey, born 1883, died Sept 1962 in Florida.  May married Walter Carpenter Butler in 1911.  I didn’t find any children for them.

Elizabeth Gillmore was born in 1844 and died in 1919.  She married Peter Reid in 1870.  Their children were Elizabeth J Reid, born about 1871; Arthur P Reid, born about 1871, married Celia O Schiesswohl in 1912; May Reid born about 1878; Emma N Reid born about 1879; Edith G Reid, born May 1881; Marguerite Reid, born March 1886, died in April of that same year; Mabel S Reid was born about 1876.  She may have been married to someone named Wennemer, and this Mabel Reid may have been married to Frederick Julius Tower in 1896.  If this is correct, they had two children, Arthur F and Ruth E Tower.

Susan Gillmore was born in 1850 and died in 1904.  She married John Gilbert in 1870.  John was born in England in 1844, and died in Chicago in 1924.  They had 3 children.  William Gilbert was born in 1873.   Rebecca M Gilbert was born in 1876 and died in 1965.  George J Gilbert was born in 1874, and died in 1936.  He married Ruth D Montgomery.  She had been previously married and had a son, Irvin Charles Rodin.  She and George had a daughter Susan Ruth Gilbert, born 1926, died 1985.  Susan married Norman Berquist and may have had 3 children.

Rebecca Gillmore was born 1854 and died in 1938.  She married David H Welsh (1852-1925) in 1876.  They had the following children: 

William Harry Welch, 1878 till after 1947.

John G Welch, 1879-1929.

Josephine Rebecca Welch, 1890-1976.

David G Welch, 1892-1937.

Edward Gilmore Welch, 1893 to unknown.

George S Welch, 1881 to unknown.  George married Clara Preussman, born in 1886.  They had 3 children; David George Welch, Jan-March 1921; William G Welch born about 1924; and Marline C Welch about 1927.

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Humphrey’s brother JAMES

On page 13 of Marvin’s correspondence he states that James is a brother of Humphrey and has at least three children, Henry, Humphrey, and Margaret.  Ralph doesn’t list James as a brother of Humphrey, but he does account for James in his “Gillmores of Sligo County” as James of Stonehall, and lists two of his children, Henry and Margaret.

According to Ancestry.com, Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, James Gillmore married Mary Kearns on 11 Nov 1836, Killenummery, Sligo and Leitrim, Ireland.  The same source shows that their daughter Margaret’s parents are James Gillmore and Mary Kearns.  James would likely have been born before 1817.

I haven’t found any information on their son Humphrey.

Ralph shows their son Henry Gillmor of Stonehall, born about 1837.  He married Elizabeth Jenks on September 18, 1862 in Sligo, Ireland.  Elizabeth was born circa 1844 in Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland.  Ralph shows they had two children William born in Stonehall, Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland on September 4, 1865, and Humphry Gillmore of Stonehall born in Stonehall, Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland on November 10, 1867.  Marvin’s information, page 13, lists Hannah’s siblings “Henry Simpson Gilmore and Henrietta Gilmore, still living there around the old place; plus three brothers in Australia; and a sister in England; and a sister living “in Wicklow”. My own further research shows that Henry first married Elizabeth Jenks and had:

William Born in 1865, died in Australia in 1930.

Humphry Born Sligo, 1867, died in Australia in 1955, married Jane Mary Meredith, and had two boys, Robert Henry 1903 to 1958, and William Meredith 1904 to Unknown.

Hessie 1870 and Eliza 1872, and John 1875 and Jane 1877.

Henry’s wife Elizabeth died in 1878 and he married Sarah Jane Sleator in1881.  They had Fanny 1884, Hannah 1886, Lillie 1888, Henry Simpson 1890, and Henrietta in 1893.

Ralph shows that James’ daughter “Margaret Gilmore was born in Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland before 1841.  She married Thomas Pettipiece on June 3, 1858 in Callooney, Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland.  Thomas was born before 1838 in of Cloonacurrah, Ballysadare, Sligo, Ireland.  Further research shows that they had one son James Pettipiece born in 1858, and his mother, Margaret died in 1866.  Thomas Pettipiece remarried Fanny Irwin and they had at least six children.

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Marvin Gilmore’s Correspondence

About Humphrey Gillmor

And The Gillmore/Gilmor Family

Of Sligo, Ireland

When I started researching my Gillmore ancestors, I found Ralph Clark’s genealogy web site.  It was very well documented and had a lot of new information that I didn’t have previously.  Imagine my surprise a few years later when I found a treasure trove of correspondence from a Marvin Gilmore among my grandmother’s things.  He originally wanted to know about his father’s family, and then expanded to wanting to know about the extended Gilmore/Gillmore families.  He wrote to people worldwide that he knew to be family and pushed and prodded them to send him family information.  Evidently, my grandmother gave him quite a lot of information, and contacts, and they corresponded for a number of years about his search for the Gillmores.  What I found were the letters he had written to my grandmother.  There are over 50 pages of letters, diagrams, charts, and copies of letters he had received and borrowed from family members concerning the Gillmores.  The information in the correspondence expanded my Gillmore tree beyond belief!  I wish I had my grandmother’s side of the correspondence as well.  Some of the information seems to conflict with what Mr Clark has on his website, but in many cases I have been able to use Marvin’s information to do more research and expand on what he had discovered.   Shortly after I found this correspondence, I tried to contact Ralph Clark, but was unsuccessful, so I have set it aside for several years, debating about what to do with it.

Genealogy nut that I am, I have taken a couple of DNA tests.  I don’t do much with them, but I do look at the trees of matches, who have people that match mine in our online family trees.  I don’t even look at the matches who don’t have matching people in our family trees.  I occasionally get inquiries from people in the latter group, wondering if I can find a match anywhere.  Generally, I can’t and send them a short reply to that effect.  Imagine my surprise this summer, though, when I was given a little information about someone’s family, and I was able to go to my tree, and right away find where we matched!  This person is a grand or great grandchild of my great great grandfather Humphrey’s brother!  Without the information from Marvin’s correspondence and the additional research I had done, I would never have been able to find our relationship!  Ralph Clark didn’t show any siblings of Humphrey.

This event of the DNA match, got me moving, and I realized that it was imperative that I share the information from Marvin’s correspondence.  I don’t imagine that it is always correct, and it isn’t complete, but being able to find the DNA match that easily, proved to me that his information is at least a valid starting point for more of the Gillmore family genealogy.

I spent a lot of time going over all the information again, correcting mistakes I had made, finding even more family members, and now that I am about ready to start putting the information on my blog, I am finding more questions about some of the material.  I will try to point out differences between Ralph’s information and Marvin’s.  There are some longstanding family questions, that I have tried to explore and in doing that I have, without proof, inserted some people into the family tree.  There are a couple of family groupings that I believe Marvin had wrong, i.e. brother’s not cousins or uncles.  In all these cases I will provide my reasoning.  The information in Marvin’s correspondence is in most cases not able to be “proven”, with birth, death, marriage or other information.  Most of his information is from family members or friends of the family, and is likely to be incorrect at times, but I have been able to build on his information in ways that make sense to me, so I feel the information is generally valid.

I am certain that my great grandfather is Robert Allingham Gillmore.  This information has been passed down to me by my mother and her mother.  Ralph Clark shows Robert’s father as being Humphrey.  There are two citations, one a book, and the other Robert’s death certificate, that might show Humphrey as Robert’s father, but I don’t have access to either of these items.  My mother wrote a story about her grandfather Robert Gillmore and names his parent’s names as Humphrey and Margaret (Allingham), but I don’t know when she wrote the story, and I think it was after Marvin had shared some information with my grandmother.  From Marvin’s correspondence it sounds like my grandmother wasn’t sure about the name of Robert’s father, but in October of 1945 Marvin wrote “I now find that my great grandfather (your grandfather) was neither Hugh, nor Hamp, but Humphrey.  His first wife was undoubtedly Margaret, nee Allingham, but his second wife was very definitely one Jane Gilmor Gillmor.”  He had gotten this information from some letters that a relative had loaned him.  The letters were written to Robert N. Gilmore around 1906 and referenced Humphrey’s estate.  A will mentioning Robert’s sister Rebecca further proves this association.

Ralph names Humphrey’s parents as William and an unknown woman.  Again, I don’t have access to his citations to prove or disprove this fact.  On page 13 of Marvin’s correspondence he was told that Humphrey’s parents were Hugh and Anne (Lawson) Gilmore.  There is a record that might give more insight into whether it was William or Hugh, but again I am unable to access the record.  I did find a record showing that Humphrey’s second wife’s father was named Hugh.  Again, this is information from people who knew or were related to the Gillmores in Ireland and they may have been hazy in their recollections.

To recap, my 3 times great grandfather was probably William (or Hugh) Gillmore and his wife was likely Anne Lawson.  Based on Humprhey’s age they would have been born around 1780, possibly in Sligo, Ireland.

Ralph doesn’t list any siblings for Humphrey, but on page 13 of his correspondence Marvin writes “This Hannah’s grandfather was James Gillmor, which gives us the name of another Humphrey Gillmor brother to go with George and William.”  In a letter from Rebecca (Gillmor) Craig, she writes “My second son is called Walter after W.E.”  I don’t have any proof, but added a Walter as another brother of Humphrey.  So far, I can’t find anything at all on a Walter, so this is likely wrong.  As to George, he is the grand or great grandfather of the person who contacted me with matching DNA!

 

There were probably sisters as well, but I haven’t found any information to that effect.

There was evidently a long running discussion between my grandmother and Marvin as to the correct spelling of Gillmore.  Grandma spelled it with 2 l’s.  Marvin had grown up with one l.  I have found it both ways during my research, and often in Ireland the e was left off.  For the most part I am going to use the ll with an e for convenience.
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